I know that there are a lot of Buddy Holly items missing in my collection, although it is not so small.

Yesterday I found an information about a bootleg CD called "The Apartment Demos".

I don't like bootlegs, but something fascinated me: There was a title, that I've never heard before:

[jim: sorry, this is not appropriate for here, if you must, please use private messages to share the song title]

Do you know, if Buddy sang this song or did he accompany on guitar ?

I'd like to get all informations about that song including the history behind it.

Can I hear this song somewhere ?

As you know, I published the rarest Waylon Jennings song "The stage (Stars in heaven)" on my website http://buddyholley.net/

Is anyone on the board able to help me somehow?

buddy_blue (thanx for your guestbook entry), jerry, balcony_buddy ? ? ?

CHEERS FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET FROM
BUDDY'S GERMAN BUDDY

HANS

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First of all, Buddy got along very well with African Americans, Caucasions, didn't really matter. Idolized some of his favorite artists even, no matter their race. Just so that's clear.
Second of all, what kind of authencity does this bootleg collection have? It's bootleg for a reason. What other songs are listed, are they all Buddy songs, be it outtakes, alternate takes what have you.
In my opinion, I can't see this being anything but a song Buddy would have played guitar behind someone for, but I can't believe he would have done it with a name like that. Just my opinion.

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Hello buddy_blue,
I asked in this board as a collector who wanted to know if the collection of all titles of our mutual Buddy is complete. No intention to offend someone. My parents taught me that all human beings are worth the same, race, color of skin, religion and so on is not what counts. It's important what the heart says. I wrote these words on my website, but only in German.
I should better have not written the complete title of the song. I'm a German, I don't think American, now I know it better.
(Thank you, Jim !)
I'm starting to believe that this is not a song sung by Buddy, because he was a Fundamental Baptist and I think his parents taught him the way mine did, too.
Although this is a bootleg, why do they try to list such a song as a buddy song. I found this title on various websites and my only intention was to find out the truth.

Cheers from the other side of the planet from

Buddy's German buddy

HANS

Hans

sounds like the kind of thing that might end up in a book by ellis amburn........

i'd suggest checking with Bill Griggs, or getting a copy of his book, Day By Day, that literally tells, to the extent it's known, what Buddy did each day, obviously including the songs he played on and recorded.

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Originally posted by jerry:
Hans

sounds like the kind of thing that might end up in a book by ellis amburn........

i'd suggest checking with Bill Griggs, or getting a copy of his book, Day By Day, that literally tells, to the extent it's known, what Buddy did each day, obviously including the songs he played on and recorded.

Jerry--

Sounds like you don't think much of Ellis Amburn. Can I ask why? Is there some feedback on this site about "Buddy Holly...A Biography"?

Reminiscing

the book Mr. Amburn wrote is considered by just about everyone to be the music biography equivalent of a Kitty Kelly book on political figures - full of untruths and innuendos and just all-around nonsense.

Bill Griggs, probably the world-reknown authority on Holly, has said that in regards to the two most recent Holly biographies, one is pretty good and the other belongs in the trash can. the one he considers worthwhile is by Phillip Norman. and of course, the original biography by John Goldrosen has long been considered a classic.

apparently Amburn contacted Bill while writing the book, but later proceeded to pretty much ignore and/or twist all the info Bill gave him. it's not a book i'd waste my money on, that's for sure.

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Originally posted by jerry:
Reminiscing

the book Mr. Amburn wrote is considered by just about everyone to be the music biography equivalent of a Kitty Kelly book on political figures - full of untruths and innuendos and just all-around nonsense.



Bill Griggs, probably the world-reknown authority on Holly, has said that in regards to the two most recent Holly biographies, one is pretty good and the other belongs in the trash can. the one he considers worthwhile is by Phillip Norman. and of course, the original biography by John Goldrosen has long been considered a classic.

apparently Amburn contacted Bill while writing the book, but later proceeded to pretty much ignore and/or twist all the info Bill gave him. it's not a book i'd waste my money on, that's for sure.

Jerry--

Thanks for the feedback. I was intrigued that he apparently had a working relationship with Maria Elena and had tracked down Echo McGuire. I've had the other books for some time.

Have you read "The Day the Music Died" by Larry Lehmer?

Also, I'm curious about why Maria Elena hasn't agreed to a biography. Any thoughts?

...I'm just sittin' here...

Reminscing

I've seen this song listed on a bootleg, too. And after a little digging around on the Web I found out (don't ask me where, cos I can't remember...) that it is not BH performing it, but that he maybe played guitar on it. All seems rather dubious to me...

Why is it that anybody that writes something about Buddy that paints any picture other than some kind of angelic super gentleman is deemed as a writer not worthy of the paper he writes on and any reference to wild or reckless behavior is proclaimed lies?

nikliss

that's quite an over-simplification. the truth is that Buddy's life has been examined with a fine tooth comb, as closely as any historic figure, really. and through all that, he has come through as very much a gentleman and a wonderful friend, son, husband, brother, co-writer, and bandmate. literally everyone who ever knew him has confirmed this. however, his faults are also a matter of record. since he was human, like you or i, of course he had faults. but the antedotal stories of his generosity and kindness simply overwhelm the shortcomings, and hence, he's remembered that way. which is as it should be.

Niki Sullivan once recounted that Buddy was the type of person who, even if you didn't know him, and you stopped him and asked him to play you a song, he'd stop and do it, right then and there. and that is simply an amazing quality, for any musician and songwriter. and who can forget the Sonny Curtis lyric "...he never knocked nobody down in his life, he loved us all and he treated us right...".

Bill Griggs knows more about Buddy than any person alive, and if he says that the Ellis Amburn book belongs in the trash can, that's good enough for me. it's not that anyone saying anything contrary about Buddy is considered a liar, but you have to wonder about the motives of a man who ignores the information given him by the foremost Holly authority, and instead opts to print a lot of innuendo and falsehoods about a great man....

Buddy played absolutely no part in this song, in fact Buddy was dead for roughly 7 years before this track was even written. It was made by an American artist called C. J. Trahan who went under the pseudonym of Johnny Rebel between 1966 and 1967.
I hope that puts an end to this silly talk of Buddy writing garbage

I'm so happy to know the truth now, but why did it take so long to find it out? What's your source? Once again, let me tell you that I'm really happy about this wonderful information.
From the other side of the planet
Buddy's German buddy
http://www.buddyhollylives.info/

The people who put the bootleg together obviously knew and wanted to mess with people's heads. A lot of Buddy Holly fans know but are unaware that people are asking (I've been a Buddy fan all my life and have only just found this site to see the question).

A simple search on the web for the title will eventually give you the name of the artist. Then a search for the artist's name will give you all the details of his career.

But, you know, it is possible now, and it was possible in the '60s, to remove a vocal from a song and replace it with a new one.

I don't know much about the "song" in question here, but just hypothetically it is possible that BH played guitar on a song to help a guy out; we all know he did that a lot. Then a few years later, the same guy thinks, "Y'know, that was a good tune but the lyrics suck. I'm gonna write me some new 'uns." Which he does, and he replaces the vocal track, but the other tracks remain the same, including BH's guitar playing.

You see where I'm coming from? Theoretically at least, it is possible that Buddy played guitar on a song with racist lyrics without even knowing it. So maybe he is on this; who knows?

It is very possible to record a tune in the 50's and have someone use that tune and add lyrics in the 60's, 70's, 80's or indeed at any time, but not in this case. CJ Trahan wrote and played all his own tunes on Reb Rebel Records and played the guitar on all of them.

Hi,
I came across this thread while researching the song being discussed. I too had a hard time believing Buddy could sing such a song. I have the Apartment Demo Cd and can post the mp3 if someone would care to have it. I think the song is a Johnny Rebel recording. The cd is very short on onfo other than listing it as coming from the Holly Family Acetates and a recording date of 1955. The track times at 2:01. I hope this adds to the information already shared.