Does anyone know for certain whether Buddy was involved with the two tracks on the Terry Noland single: "Don't Do Me This Way" and "Patty Baby". If Buddy was involved, that would naturally exclude Roy Orbison, as there could only be the one lead guitar ?

it would appear that the answer to your question is no.

here's a link (from this site) under 'people' and 'credits' that addresses the issue of Buddy playing on miscellaneous tracks:

http://www.buddyhollyonline.com/playedon.html

just so you're aware, there's actually quite a bit of information on this site, under various links.

Yes I know the site pretty well but the songs are usually associated with Buddy on several web sites including Pete Moorcrofts, who although doesn't say "definately" also doesn't say "definately not".

do your sources claim that those are Clovis recordings? my guess is that Buddy didn't play on those tracks, despite the sources you reference.

one way to know for sure is to go to Bill Griggs' message board and post the question. someone on there, possibly Bill himself, will have the answer.

my recollection is that it's www.rockin50s.com or it may be http://www.voy.com/120134/

This message has been edited. Last edited by: jerry,

Yep, Clovis on the 25th August 1957.
I've tried Voy.com and the link at Rockin50's but both turn up a Net Timeout Error

i was able to bring up Bill's website just fine...maybe the server was down. the message board does look to be having issues right now though. try emailing Bill directly at bill@rockin50s.com

give him the artist, song titles and the date, and you'll have your answer pretty quickly. but my information is that Buddy didn't do any recording during that month and year, actually, since the Crickets had left for a tour on July 28th, and had gigs to do throughout August and part of September.

Hmmmm, tried four different browsers: Opera, I.E. Firefox, and Flock but all four show a timeout error
Will try again tomorrow, cheers for the links
Sent an email, so we'll see what happens

specifically, Buddy Holly and the Crickets appeared on the Alan Freed TV show in NYC on August 23rd, 1957, as part of the tour itinerary, so i rather doubt that Buddy would've rushed back to Clovis in the middle of an 11 week tour to play guitar on someone else's session.

but i defer to Bill Griggs in any case, so we'll wait and see what he says.

Yes, normally that would make sense but perhaps Buddy or his management saw things slightly differently in those days. Just look at the schedule for the Winter Dance Party, criss-crossing up and down the country like mad men possessed.

good point about the WDP tour. however, when WDP tour was put together, Norman Petty was no longer Buddy's manager. Norman, of course, had a lot better understanding of the music business than did the people who arranged the WDP tour. that tour, as we know, was ill-conceived, clumsily planned, foolishly implemented, and in so many ways, a disaster.

the tour from August/September of 1957 was one that Norman put together, in conjunction with Murray Deutch of Southern Music, and was the first tour for the Crickets. (a copy of the original note that Norman sent with the Crickets survives, and in it, he sounds like a big brother or a father, giving instructions to his sons or younger siblings.)

this is the same tour where they got booked into the Apollo (immortalized in the movie), as the first white group ever; that was the week prior to the Alan Freed appearance. the week after that, they did the Brooklyn Paramount.

Norman Petty was Buddy's manager at the time of this tour, and personally, i don't see him flying Buddy back to Clovis, from New York, in the middle of their first major tour, to play guitar on a session for a relatively unknown artist. at the time of that tour, Buddy and the Crickets were riding high on a number one record, "That'll be the Day", and it just doesn't make sense (to me anyway) to fly your star back for a session like the one you refer to, only to rush him back to New York to continue his very first tour. anyway, just my opinion, but Mr. Griggs will settle the matter for us.

You've convinced me that he played no part in this session. Thanks for the info
I'm not too sure if Mr. Griggs will reply, I sent an email to bill@rockin50s.com but I haven't been able to get on either that site or the forum at voy.com since you posted the link two days ago. The sites may be down

well, if i'm proven wrong, then i'll owe you an apology.

i just tried the Grigg's forum link, and it's up now:

http://www.voy.com/120134/

best wishes.

Mr. Griggs has replied and he is very certain Buddy played no part in the session.
I noticed the site was up this afternoon